09.43am
CAROL STOTT: Hello
BD: Hello. Is that Carol?
CAROL STOTT: Yeah.
BD: It is?
CAROL STOTT: Yeah.
Whos that?
BD: Oh, hi, its
Brian Deer from The Sunday Times here.
CAROL STOTT: Oh, hello.
BD: Hi, there.
CAROL STOTT: What do you
want?
BD: Em, well, I believe
you are interested in autism.
CAROL STOTT: Yeah.
BD: And the MMR issue?
CAROL STOTT: [long
pause] Why do you think that?
BD: Well, youre the
Carol Stott at Cambridge University, with the
Autism Research Centre.
CAROL STOTT: [long
pause, coughs, very quiet] Yeah.
BD: Thats correct?
CAROL STOTT: [very
loud and sarcastic]
Ye-e-e-s.
BD: Oh, I just wanted to
talk to you about that subject.
CAROL STOTT: Right, okay,
what do you want?
BD: Well, youve
apparently been sending me malicious emails.
CAROL STOTT: [sarcastically] Have
I?
BD: Yes.
CAROL STOTT: [sarcastically] Good
heavens. I wonder how thats happened.
BD: Well, Im just
asking. I wonder how that has.
CAROL STOTT: I dont
know. I really dont know. Is there
anything else that you want?
BD: Well, I dont
know. I just wonder if you have any thoughts
about how that could have happened?
CAROL STOTT: No, I
dont really know. Im not [inaudible] you
malicious [emphasised] emails,
have I? What do you mean
malicious, Mr Deer?
BD: Well, I dont
know. Ive just had these emails.
CAROL STOTT: Mmm. I see.
BD: Well, what Ill
do then, I think probably the best thing for
me to do is to call Simon Baron-Cohen [head
of the Cambridge Autism Research Centre] and
speak to him about it.
CAROL STOTT: If you wish
to. Yes.
BD: I should say I have
actually recorded this conversation, so -
CAROL STOTT: Yeah, you
should actually say that at the beginning of
the conversation. Are you not aware of that?
BD: Well, there is no
requirement for me to do that.
CAROL STOTT: Is there
not? Is that right? Okay.
BD: I think Professor
Baron-Cohen will assess the situation quite
clearly from this conversation.
CAROL STOTT: Okay.
BD: Now I should say to
you that if you do send any more, it will
become a rather serious issue.
CAROL STOTT: Will it
indeed?
BD: I mean, Im
surprised that you hold an academic position
to tell you the truth...
CAROL STOTT: [laughs]
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
BD: ... from the way you
are speaking to me.
CAROL STOTT: Really? Why?
Why does that surprise you?
BD: Well, to send
malicious emails in the early hours of the
morning and then really to respond in the way
that you have in this conversation is really
rather surprising.
CAROL STOTT: [pause]
Uh-huh. [pause] To
who?
BD: Well, its very
surprising to me.
CAROL STOTT: Yeah, well,
I dont really care about what your
response is.
BD: But I would have
thought that you were involved in the care of
children, and involved in a very serious
subject, which is the subject of autism.
CAROL STOTT: Yeah. I am.
BD: And -
CAROL STOTT: What I
dont do is take kindly to people like
yourself, who are entirely malicious about
the whole thing. Okay? And quite honestly you
can do whatever you want to do. [pause] And it
really would not faze me at all.
BD: Well, I would just
have to hope you have acedemic tenure,
because this is really a rather serious
matter.
CAROL STOTT: Why do you
think that is?
BD: Excuse me?
CAROL STOTT: Why do you
think that is. I havent actually sent
you any emails. You know I really dont
know what you are talking about.
BD: I think Professor
Baron-Cohen will be able to evaluate this
conversation, and establish whats been
going on.
CAROL STOTT: Yes. Okay,
well try him.
BD: Okay, well, Ill
do that. I have to say Im very
surprised, and I would ask you to stop
sending these emails.
CAROL STOTT: I
havent sent any emails.
BD: Well, okay, well
youd better tell that to your
university when they raise this matter with
you. Okay, well, I just ask you to stop
sending them, em, and well take it from
there. Thank you very much, anyway. Bye bye.
17.41pm
REPLY TO CAROL STOTT:
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:41:30
To: <cs10001@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
From: Brian Deer
Subject: To Dr Carol Stott, re your abusive
emails
Dear Dr Stott,
I hope that I have given you
sufficient time to sober up, recover from
whatever substances you may have ingested, or
in any other way come to your senses,
following the malicious, abusive and obscene
string of emails you have sent me. I have
passed these to the University of Cambridge's
Autism Research Centre, which assures me that
the matter has been referred to the
university's human resources department for
disciplinary inquiry.
I have taken the trouble to
inspect the website of your business,
"The Cambridge Psychometrics and Autism
Practice", and from this deduce that you
have been on the payroll of the failed MMR
litigation. Perhaps you have become
disordered following your realization that
you will no longer be able to charge fees to
that litigation, and you somehow hold me
responsible for your loss.
However, in the light of your
conduct towards me - a person you have never
met, or had any prior dealings with - I am
concerned that you apparently offer
professional services to vulnerable children
and their families. Therefore, unless you can
supply me with a complete apology and
explanation for your behaviour, I propose to
report this matter to the British
Psychological Society, which may have a view
regarding your fitness to practice.
I urge you to discuss this
matter with your friends or colleagues -
perhaps with your business partner, Dr Fiona
Scott - and let me have your reply within 24
hours.
Yours sincerely,
Brian Deer